Alien contact covered up, says Apollo veteran Edgar Mitchell

[madtuna]

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24069817-5001021,00.html


thoughts???

[Dog Star]

A bit short on detail, isn't it? Did Edgar Mitchell REALLY say that, and if he did, how come that the Aliens and the perpetrators of this conspiracy haven't zapped him or wiped his mind or something? How come The Daily Telegraph hasn't supplied more of this truly shattering interview and more importantly, why do I want to believe this, but just can't?
I don't suppose that this is a bit of clever advance publicity for the new X-Files movie?
Nah! that would be too cynical, wouldn't it?:wink:

[me, myself and I]

I can't look at all those stars, solar systems and galaxies and have the audacity to think that the rest of them are just taking up space....while we're the only ones with human life. We're special....but not THAT special. lol.

Those in the know thought they were protecting us.....same as we would do for our children in similar circumstances. I see them as being so far advanced over our abilities that if we're still alive....then chances are it's because they want it that way. If they wanted us dead....we would be.

Here's a link I found about Secretary of State, Cordell Hull, who served under President Franklin Roosevelt, is considered Father of the United Nations and won the Nobel Peace Prize.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/hull.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordell_Hull

Even old wives tales often have a basis in fact.

[Tenacious Del]

interesting that he would say that. is there a video interview of this somewhere?

[Radar]

Shame he doesn't give any details of anything. Claims such as this need that kind of information. This debate always comes back to evidence.

Ray

[me, myself and I]

Found this on the Discovery channel's website. An additional interview with the astronaut.

http://dsc.discovery.com/space/qa/alien-ufo-edgar-mitchell.html

[Dog Star]

Found this on the Discovery channel's website. An additional interview with the astronaut.

http://dsc.discovery.com/space/qa/alien-ufo-edgar-mitchell.html
Hmm, this is a lot more interesting than the radio interview although this too is a little sparse on detail and he doesn't actually say he's seen the saucer/aliens himself.
Once or twice in the first interview, he specificly stated that this particular field wasn't what interested him and I wondered what could be more interesting than contact with an extra-terrestrial species.
Having had several samahdi-like experiences myself, I can understand where he's coming from.
Still don't know about the little jokers in formaldehyde story, though.
Agent Mulder in the X-Files had a poster on his wall which read "I want to believe". I'd like to get one that says "I'd LIKE to believe".

[me, myself and I]

I think this is one of those "seeing is believing" attitudes in life. There's such a stigma attached with saying you've experienced or encountered something like this that most keep it to themselves. Kinda like religion in that the personal experience is what "brings it home" to the individual.....and no amount of materials will change that til it is experienced first hand.

We already know we have folks who say the moonwalk didn't happen.....that the Jewish holocaust is a figment of our imagination, etc. (A whole lotta folks got those tattoos to participate in that hoax, eh?) Too many folks have to have that if I can't see it, touch it, taste it attitude...it's not real......as we all breathe that air we can't see in order to survive. lol.
There's a lot of daily living that occurs on faith. I still fall back on the attitude of....WHY all those solar systems, planets, etc...JUST to decorate the sky? Most of our universe makes sense somehow. To leave all that mass without reason just doesn't make sense.

[Dog Star]

I don't have the slightest problem entertaining the possibility that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe; in fact it's odds on as far as I'm concerned.
As to whether or not the US government has crashed space craft and alien cadavers.... Well that's a whole different kettle of one-armed worms in my opinion.:biggrin:
But the bottom line is - I don't know!
This whole conspiracy thing should not be relegated to a question of faith - it's either true or it isn't.
I'd LIKE to believe it. It's just that on the evidence available to me - I just can't.
But as I don't know for sure, I feel obliged to treat all opinions on the subject with the utmost respect and I'm willing and eager to hear more.

[me, myself and I]

Hi ya Dogstar....I agree with you in that I treat it with respect knowing the odds are more for it...than against....I haven't had any of those personal encounters myself. I DO have friends that I trust that have had a personal encounter. Just to make sure you know I'm not blasting anybody...as I'm new to this forum and y'all don't know me from Adam...or Eve...lol...when I post I pretty much am having my say without necessarily countering something somebody else has said. I always respect everybody's right to their own belief systems...and while I have my own thoughts on the matter am always open to hearing what others have to say as well...tho I don't think you thought I was arguing with you...just making sure you know now. lol. = - )

[Radar]

There's such a stigma attached with saying you've experienced or encountered something like this that most keep it to themselves.

This is an interesting point, it reminds me of a specific case.

There is the Manhattan abduction.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Manhattan.html


An extremely compelling and controversial case of alien abduction is that of Linda Napolitano, (originally aliased as Cortile) which was researched by the well-known and respected Budd Hopkins. Napolitano claimed that she was abducted by the so-called "greys," who floated her from a closed bedroom window into a hovering UFO. The craft was waiting for her above a Manhattan apartment building at about 3:00 A.M. November 30, 1989. Linda's experience, though intriguing, was hampered at first by memory loss. She could recall only bits and pieces of the abduction. She could remember vividly the actual kidnapping and the room where she was examined, but the transportation process itself was totally lost to her. Further details of the case would be forthcoming via the passage of time, other witness statements, and through regressive hypnosis.
Hopkins, as to be expected, has been ridiculed by many of his peers, but has been steadfast in searching out the consistent, underlying themes that run through alien abduction cases. Napolitano's case is remarkable and unique in itself, although following the general abduction pattern on some points. More than a year after Cortile's experience, Hopkins received mail correspondence from two witnesses, (known as Richard and Dan) who claimed to have actually seen the abduction.
Doubtful at first about these witnesses, their claims would ultimately be a building block of the case itself. Agreeing perfectly with Linda's account of the abduction, the two men were bodyguards of a senior United Nations statesman who was visiting Manhattan. This diplomat would eventually be identified as Javier Perez de Cuellar, who, according to his two bodyguards, was visibly shaken while viewing the surreal scene. These three men encountered an unbelievable sight...the plight of a woman being floated through the air, and not only that...but three entities were also being floated, accompanying her on a short trip to a massive hovering flying craft.


A united nations diplomat and two bodyguards claiming to have witnessed this event raises the profile of this case greatly. For the diplomat to come forward and say he saw this would have been political suicide.

I think these kinds of cases are interesting.

Ray

[me, myself and I]

That's another great article. Look at the United Nations contacts just on this thread alone~

[Dog Star]

Hi ya Dogstar....I agree with you in that I treat it with respect knowing the odds are more for it...than against....I haven't had any of those personal encounters myself. I DO have friends that I trust that have had a personal encounter. Just to make sure you know I'm not blasting anybody...as I'm new to this forum and y'all don't know me from Adam...or Eve...lol...when I post I pretty much am having my say without necessarily countering something somebody else has said. I always respect everybody's right to their own belief systems...and while I have my own thoughts on the matter am always open to hearing what others have to say as well...tho I don't think you thought I was arguing with you...just making sure you know now. lol. = - )
No, Old, Mate, didn't think you were arguing at all and an exchange of opinions between fair minded individuals is, in my opinion, to be encouraged at all times, even if the exchange is a little robust. But I know where you're coming from. I've posted comments sometimes counter to what's been said and people have gotten a bit heated over it (not on this forum:smile:) I'm not out to offend anyone either; just indulging in good old fashioned debate.
I've got a few crazy ideas of my own, so I can't afford to denigrate anybody elses and I'm genuine when I say that I'm willing to hear more on the subject because the bottom line is; I don't know.
Clear skies, my friend.:smile:

[me, myself and I]

No, Old, Mate, didn't think you were arguing at all C


Well, til you used the word OLD I didn't think you were being argumentative. I may be 51 but I'm a kid at heart~ :smile: (Yes, I'm in major denial~) ahahahaha~

[Dog Star]

Re the alien abduction reports;
I'd always assumed that these cases represented someone in psychological melt-down and a few months ago I watched a show (can't remember the name) on SBS where a respected psychiatrist examined several abductees and came to the conclusion that these people weren't ill in any way whatsoever, they showed no clinical symptoms of lying, they had no apparent motive for coming forward (quite the opposite),there was general consistency in their stories and they were all deeply frightened and disturbed by their experiences.
Never used to believe these stories. Now I'm finding that an open mind on the subject is the way to go.
Ahh, Truth. Where art thou?

[me, myself and I]

I got this via email today. Too funny. I was laughing so hard I was crying. OK, so I'm easily amused. lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_HsHYPrcHs

But, seriously, what would you want the world to do if these things WERE proved true? It's almost a case where the governments of the world have to suppress this info. You'd have 1/3 of the world wanting to destroy them due to fear of the unknown or with the thought process of let's attack them before they attack us....1/3 would want to try and make friends or at least learn to get along...and the last 1/3 would want to examine them under a microscope. And before we could make ANY INTELLIGENT move...we'd have to understand them...and we don't. Are they friend, foe, indifferent? Can we combat them if necessary? Is it futile to even try? HOW MANY DIFFERENT species, or whatever, of alien life are we talking about? And EACH potentially a whole different ballgame to deal with. It's like we are with our own kids....until there is something to worry about....why stress them with something needlessly at this point? I think we'd all pretty much respond the same way it has been dealt with to date. Until we have no choice but to deal with it...we don't. And we won't stir up the masses unnecessarily in the mean time. And each government probably has top secret agencies as much in the know as possible to prepare as best we can for when the day comes that it can no longer be ignored.

[Aussie Pete]

I posted this on the MMSAATU group yesterday. I think it pertains to this topic:

I am a pretty open minded guy.

In my time here on this mortal coil, I have seen and done a lot. Some
of it on the fringe. I am well educated, and like to think smart
enough to get by. But some things just stump me. I believe in logic
and science, exploration and adventure. Taking nothing nature does or
deals for granted. I like surprises. But I dont understand those for
example that find evolution a hard thing to accept.

I also give UFO stories a wide berth now days. Fermi's Paradox really
hit home for me, and as Carl Sagan often said "..extraordinary claims,
require extraordinary evidence."

What is Pete on about? Well I subscribe to the monthly "Astro Space
News" edited by local Dave Reneke, done so for a little while now. Its
'normally' excellent, saving me a lot of surfing and giving me some
great local astronomy news too. But I'm not sure where Dave is heading
nowadays. The latest issue is more 'UFO' News now. Dave? what's up
man? Can't find anything 'real' to report anymore? Ouch mate..Do you
know something we don't? What did Buzz tell you over coffee? :)

Some of the content shocked me. "Moon-walker claims alien contact
cover-up"

Gawd Dave. Let the man have his private delusions in his later years.
Don't send this out as 'Astronomy News'. I have a shelf or two chock
full of UFO and Flying Saucer books. I have studied the field
privately for so long now that I have reached my own conclusions. Its
all crap. Sorry Dave. Its interesting and fun, but hardly a science
topic worthy of your fine publication. "..extraordinary claims require
extraordinary evidence."

Words are not enough for such claims. As amazing as some of these
stories are, they remain just that. Stories. Cover ups? Hidden
agendas? Regular visits from space brothers?

As a lifelong sci-fi fan I would be thrilled by a news flash on
ABC/CNN/BBC. To see a spaceship LIVE on my TV, sitting in the United
Nations carpark or hovering above NASA HQ. But lo..its still to pass.
When the next President or Prime Minister gives that historic press
conference I may believe.

Yes Dave, the truth is 'out there', but its not yet 'here'. Please
stick to the science mate. Leave the speculation to the National
Enquirer or Women's Weekly.

Cheers..Pete

[Radar]

Anyone here familiar with the Travis Walton case? Fire in the Sky movie?

What I find interesting about that is again, witnesses, and how lumber jacks all beat the FBI's polygraph examinations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Walton

Send him an email -

www.travis-walton.com

Ray

[me, myself and I]

Thanks for that link Ray. I think I'm gonna go to amazon.com now and look for that movie in DVD. Hope they have it. It's sounds like more compelling evidence was given as proof...just the kind we need to substaniate the claims.

[Tenacious Del]

the fire in the sky case is interesting. i have just been reading his website.

[Dragon Man]

I must have lived my whole life in a bubble coz I have never heard of Travis Walton or his 'abduction' case.

I thought I kept up with all the gossip on this subject but apparently not.

Isn't that wierd. All these years and I've never heard of him, or even heard of the Movie 'Fire in the Sky' :hmm:

[me, myself and I]

I hadn't heard of it either Ken but I DID order the DVD from Amazon.com and can't wait to see it. I'll let y'all know if it's a good movie. I hope to get it today or tomorrow so I can watch it this week-end~ :biggrin:

[Dragon Man]

I hadn't heard of it either Ken but I DID order the DVD from Amazon.com and can't wait to see it. I'll let y'all know if it's a good movie. I hope to get it today or tomorrow so I can watch it this week-end~ :biggrin:
Thanks Amy.

I look forward to your review :thumbsupmate:

[timthelder]

Fire in the Sky is right up there with Close Encounters...As far as movies of that type go.

Cheers:smile:

[Tenacious Del]

Fire in the Sky is right up there with Close Encounters...As far as movies of that type go.

Cheers:smile:

ditto. this movie was great.

[me, myself and I]

I watched Fire in the Sky yesterday. GREAT MOVIE! Really makes you think....and I loved the part at the end where they said they re-took the lie detector tests and PASSED. (Remember there are several eyewitnesses) Ya know truth IS stranger than fiction. I still think it boils down to......who ever "THE" authorities are....they don't know how to deal with it...so it's an avoidance issue. Either you have a definitive means of protection or you don't....and we don't.

I did see some differences between the book....exerpts I read on the Travis Walton site vs the movie. Now I wanna read the book.

I have to admit that before I saw the movie.....I would've been the one to run out and try for that closer look. Now...I might be more cautious. lol. I guess it'd depend on if I have family with me to protect or not.

[me, myself and I]

Found this link today from interviews conducted by Larry King of CNN.

Here ya go:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/07/20/lkl.ufo.long.cnn

They have some very interesting video, too.

[PeterP]

Interesting stuff.

Peter

[acs1978au7]

In a private interview, the great British amateur astronomer, Sir Patrick Moore was said to have known about the existence of extraterrestrials, and that they were directly observing us. However, he also said that we are as far from them technologically and mentally as King Canute was from television. Make of that what you will. Its only hearsay.

A former country doctor from West Virginia, USA, named Stephen Greer is adament that these entities exist. In fact, he went as far to give up a lucrative medical career in pursuit of complete government disclosure. Check out www.disclosureproject.org. He even held a press conference in 2001 with around 20 former government and military members, giving witness testimony to the fact that we are certainly not alone in this universe.

There is no clear, definitive evidence as yet. Besides, do we really need contact at this point in our history? Haven't we got enough on our plate already getting on with each other? Who knows.........

[DarkSkyMan]

A former country doctor from West Virginia, USA, named Stephen Greer is adament that these entities exist. In fact, he went as far to give up a lucrative medical career in pursuit of complete government disclosure. Check out www.disclosureproject.org. He even held a press conference in 2001 with around 20 former government and military members, giving witness testimony to the fact that we are certainly not alone in this universe.


Very interesting when people like this give up their careers to promote this type of thing. Thanks for the link.

Brett