Attiyah's Sun Theory

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Attiyah's Sun Theory

Attiyah's Sun theory has many hypotheses:

1- The bulk of the diffuse daylight is generated in the ionosphere by the same mechanisms that generate the polar auroras.
2- The solar X-rays and ultraviolet light are the primary origin for the energy needed to drive the global, continuous occurrence of the daytime auroral activities.
3- The global daytime auroras are capable of forming the so-called auroral corona which is the primary source of the daytime beam radiation.
4- The Sun always forms a far glowing background for the daytime auroral corona.
5- The formation of the auroral corona and concentration of its light, are both intimately related to the magnetic zenith effect.
6- The earthward spread of the light from the magnetic zenith is intimately governed by the phenomenon of aspect sensitivity.

N.B.
I consider that the auroral radiant point is different from the auroral corona. Accordingly, the auroral radiant point is a matter of perspective i.e., an illusive convergence similar to the rail-road track effect, whereas the auroral corona is a real convergence of light caused by the magnetic zenith effect. However, the radiant point and auroral corona are generally concomitant and optically coincident.

Introduction:

Attiyah's Sun theory considers that the overwhelming contribution to the daylight is an ionosphere-produced light especially that produced by the aurora-generating mechanisms. In other words, apart from the beam radiation that apparently comes from the Sun, the diffuse light of the daytime sky is mainly produced by the same mechanisms which generate the polar auroras. This means that auroras are not restricted to the polar region or found only in the two auroral ovals.
There are two collections of photos showing that the auroras are global and occurring around the clock and that they form the overwhelming contributions to the daylight:

Conclusive Evidence:

"The Ultraviolet Imager (UVI) uses a specially designed camera to filter out all of the light except that emitted by the aurorae themselves".


http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast25jun96.htm

http://uvi.nsstc.nasa.gov/

"With UVI, a special camera aboard the Polar spacecraft, scientists can observe the aurora borealis on the day and night side while the spacecraft is over the northern hemisphere.
Quantitative analyses of global auroral phenomena are now possible using the global UVI images of the Earth's northern polar region. By using the solar-blind, narrowband spectral images of the Ultraviolet Imager with the LBH Long filter (160-180 nm), total energy input to the auroral zone can be derived for those cases where the entire auroral oval in the field of view."

http://spacescience.spaceref.com/newhome/headlines/ast28may98_2.htm

Such cameras were and are still used by NASA's Dynamics Explorers and Polar spacecraft.

1) Images of the dome of daytime sky taken by Dynamics Explorer 1.

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/www/desai/

http://www.livingcosmos.com/images/theta.jpg

The imaging photometers aboard NASA's Dynamics Explorer 1 captured a lot of photos in UV light of wavelengths characterizing the auroral emissions i.e., these auroral UV wavelengths are principal contributions to the aurora and the dayglow. They are from the emission lines of atomic oxygen at about 130.4 and 135.6 nm and from the LBH bands of molecular nitrogen.


http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/plate05_caption.html

These photos showed that all the dome of the daytime sky is a source of wavelengths predominantly from the emission lines of atomic oxygen at about 130.4 and 135.6 nm, and from the Lyman-Birge-Hopfield bands of molecular nitrogen.

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/plate07_caption.html

Both UV LBH N2 bands and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen in the dome of the daylight seem greatly more intense than those from the auroral ovals themselves.

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/theta.gif

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/plate05_caption.html

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/plate09_caption.html

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/plate19.gif

Moreover, it is obvious from all the photos that the source of LBH N2 bands and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen in the daytime dome is at the same height that concerns their source in the auroral ovals i.e., the LBH N2 emissions and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen of the daytime sky dome come from the same ionospheric layers which the UV LBH N2 emissions and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen of the polar auroras come from. Certainly, all UV LBH N2 emissions and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen are ionosphere-produced light generated by the same mechanisms that are associated with the auroral activities in the classical polar auroral zone.
Any way, the photos can show that both of the auroral oval and the dome of the dayglow develop simultaneously such that their UV LBH N2 bands and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen are also enhanced at the same time.

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/plate13.gif

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/theta.gif


What do these results indicate?

Really, these results conclusively and clearly indicate that the auroras are global i.e., the auroral activities occur continuously in the whole daytime ionosphere. In short, they indicate that there are continuous, diurnal extremely bright auroras forming the overwhelming contributions to the daylight.

2) Photos captured by The Ultraviolet Imager aboard NASA's POLAR spacecraft.

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreach/images/Aurora/panoram.gif

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreach/images/Aurora/theta.gif

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreach/images/Aurora/demar89.jpg

Well, if the auroras are restricted to the two auroral ovals, and even if the daytime auroras are restricted to the daytime sectors of the two auroral ovals themselves, then the UVI must fail to take any photo for the dome of the daytime sky in between them.
However, the UVI images succeeded in photographing almost the whole daytime sky using the emissions that characterize auroras. This reveals that the whole daylight is always greatly rich in auroral light.

What do such photos indicate?

Really, such photos conclusively and clearly indicate that the auroral activities occur globally i.e., there are greatly active auroras always occurring in the sky of all the daytime latitudes. As well, they indicate that the daytime auroras are usually extremely brighter even than their nighttime exceptionally bright polar counterparts. Analogous to the ability of the polar bright auroras to show an auroral corona, no doubt, the diurnal extremely bright ones necessarily have their own auroral corona. With respect to the Earth-stationed observers, I consider that the latter auroral corona lies in the face of the Sun.



Summary

How to utilize the above referred-to photos to be a conclusive evidence for proving Attiyah's Sun Theory?

First of all, we must remember some preliminary facts:

1- The used cameras were designed so that their filters allow only wavelengths characteristic of the auroral light such as LBH N2 bands and UV emission lines of atomic oxygen.
2- The photos were taken only in wavelengths that characterize auroral light i.e., it is established that these wavelengths are produced in the ionosphere only by the aurora-generating mechanisms. This means that auroral activities are occurring every where in the sky these wavelengths are observed coming from.

Results:

1) The images show that the auroral light is not confined in the auroral oval, but instead it is present throughout the whole daytime ionosphere.

2) The intensity of the auroral light in the daytime ionosphere is so greatly brighter than in the auroral oval itself.

Conclusions:

1- The mechanisms that produce the traditional polar auroras, or the auroras of the so-called auroral oval, are global i.e., the aurora-generating mechanisms are always active not only in the polar ionosphere, but also in the whole daytime ionosphere as well as in the whole nighttime ionosphere.

2- Since the intended images were taken during auroral substorms or even auroral storms, a bright auroral corona should be formed, because such formation is inevitable in such circumstances.


3- According to the world-wide occurrence of the auroral storm (magnetic storm) during which the intended photos were taken, an auroral corona, extremely brighter than its contemporary nocturnal polar counterpart, should be viewed by the people everywhere in the dayside hemisphere. At least, a diurnal polar auroral corona should be formed at the same time of the formation of the nocturnal polar auroral corona. However, this formation is inevitable because the dayside part of the polar auroral zone is under the same auroral oval in which the auroras were greatly enhanced during the magnetic storm.

So, where do we find the auroral corona of the daytime polar auroras, or of the daytime auroras of the middle and low latitudes?
We find this auroral corona making a searchlight for the Sun. No doubt, this very auroral corona is the cause of the sunburst appearance and the dazzling rays not only of the sunrise and sunset, but also of the Sun throughout the day. In its turn, this conclusion means that the apparently solar beam radiation is predominantly from daytime, global extremely bright auroras always occurring in the whole ionosphere.

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Please enlarge all the photos of this link, and read the full captions of them all:

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/

Please give this photo a special attention:
http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/plate19.gif
Its full caption says:" Image of Earth's dayglow at ultraviolet wavelengths, primarily atomic oxygen emissions at 130.4 nm, showing several severe, transient decreases of intensities. The ring of emission at the top of this image is the northern auroral oval. This image was taken with Dynamics Explorer 1 from an altitude of 18,500 km at 1640 UT on 20 October 1981. The geographic latitude and longitude of the spacecraft position are 41° and 242°, respectively.
http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/plate19_caption.html

[Tenacious Del]

wow, how long did that theory take you to come up with?

Del

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

wow, how long did that theory take you to come up with?

Del
Thanks to Del for the question.
Oh Del, ask this question:
How long will it take the scientific community especially the astronomers and geophysicists to belive that an auroral corona is always "masking" the Sun and that the solar dazzling rays are the crowning rays of this corona?

[Radar]

Wow, that's pretty intensive. Have you had this published anywhere?

Also welcome to the site mate.

Ray

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Some people say that my theory seems nonsense. However, I shall agree with them conditioned that the sunward sky, the daytime sky, is void of the same requisitions of the occurrence of the auroral activities in the nighttime sky of the traditional auroral zone.


Have you asked yourself about the requisitions of the occurrence of the auroral activities in the nighttime sky of the traditional auroral zone?

You know that they are these:

1- The ionosphere.
Regarding the ionosphere, the whole daytime sky has all the ionospheric layers, too.

2- The precipitation of the charged particles on the ionosphere.

Regarding such a precipitation, it is well established that the precipitation of the charged particles is global and continuous. In other words, the whole daytime ionosphere is also continuously bombarded by highly energized charged particles.
We must remember here that the solar X-rays and UV light are very strong ionizing factors.This photoionization supplies the daytime ionosphere throughout the daytime with great quantities of photoelectrons and other different species of ions.

3- The electric currents.

Regarding the electric currents, especially the field-aligned currents, they also run in the whole daytime ionosphere.

4- Rarefied neutral gases whether in the atomic form or in the molecular form.
Regarding these gases, also the whole daytime ionosphere has its own content of them.

5- The conductivity of the ionosphere.

Regarding the conductivity, almost every where in the daytime ionosphere the electric conductivity is generally greater than that of the nighttime polar ionosphere during the occurrence of very bright auroras. It is more than ten siemens.

So far, not only all the agents and conditions needed to run the auroral activities are found completely in the whole sunward sky, but compared to their counterparts in the sky of the night time sky of the traditional auroral zone itself, they are much stronger or greater.

However, this comparison alone could show that there should be global daytime auroras such that their brightness is thousands of times greater than even the so-described "exceptionally bright auroras" of the traditional auroral zone.

Accordingly, every one must ask: where are the auroras related to the aurora-producing agents and conditions found in the whole daytime sky?

As well, every one must ask: where is the auroral corona of such auroras?

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Queries about Attiyah's Sun Theory from a Reputable Great Scientist

Notice: the queries are in the red colour.

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What is "the searchlight of the Sun that gives it its sunburst appearance or its crowning rays and
the radiant point". You use these terms over and over but do not say what phenomena
you are referring to. What do you mean by "crowning rays"
What do you mane by "searchlight of the Sun"?

Answer:

When the Sun rises it seems showing dazzling "rods" of light. Some people call them the solar cusps. These dazzling rays seem making an appearance somewhat like a crown. This crown of the dazzling rays themselves seems as a searchlight. Ordinarily, the beams of the searchlight are oriented almost in the same direction so as to be concentrated on where they are wanted to reach. The effect of solar "searchlight" is so obvious if we view the Sun rising or setting in sea waters. The "strip" of the light the Sun makes at these two times is due to its "searchlight" that is formed from its dazzling rays. Suppose that the Moon has its own real seas, no doubt, neither the sunrise nor the sunset could make a distinct or well defined lit "strip" in such supposed lunar seas. Instead, all the regions of such a lunar sea that are in the field of sight would show the solar light spread diffusely making no well-defined "strip" of light. As well as, the lit waters would not seem "dazzling". Dazzling rays are a feature of the auroral corona.

The light of the rising Sun on the Moon seems "diffuse"

Well, when the Sun rises on the Moon it does not show the crowning rays it normally does show at the Earth. Please view this image for the sunrise at the Moon:

http://www.panoramas.dk/moon/mission-apollo.html

No doubt, there are no distinct rays as in the case of the sunrise at the Earth i.e. the sun rises on the Moon showing no cusps, no radial streamers and bundles of rays, namely it shows only uniformly diffuse light. Were the crown of the dazzling rays a sticking feature that adheres to the Sun, then it should show them as a bright searchlight whatever the celestial body it rises on. Analogous to the crowning rays the sunrise shows at the Earth, it is expected that at the Moon there should be relatively greatly brighter crowning rays because the lunar atmosphere is extremely tenuous. Practically, there are no lunar atmospheric gases causing extinction. Hence, one is inclined to ask about the reason of the absence of the "searchlight" from the sunrise at the Moon. However, according to AST, the Moon has no magnetosphere-ionosphere system. In short, such a system enables the Sun to acquire a searchlight via the formation of an auroral corona.

"Surely you are not referring to the Sun itself!"

Comment:

I consider that the crowning rays, the dazzling rays of the auroral corona, are somewhat like a transparent "mask" of light far in front of the real body of the Sun. According to AST, looking at the Sun means that we view an auroral corona showing its dazzling rays far in front of the real body of the Sun itself. The scene of the Sun from the Earth is combined as such: the front ground is an auroral corona and the back ground is the real disk of the Sun. The instantaneous changes we normally see occurring continuously in the solar beam radiation are almost all due to the auroral corona. Concerning viewing the Sun from the Earth, we deal with the rays of an auroral corona thinking that they come directly from the very body of the Sun itself.

"Yes there is an aurora in the dayside as well as night side of the Earth.
It is clearly seen from space in UV."
Comment:

According to AST, the part of the traditional auroral oval is only a part of the light that is produced in the whole daytime ionosphere by the same mechanisms which generate the auroral light in the oval itself. Saying that the bulk of the diffuse daylight is due to daytime auroras does not mean that it is from the daytime sector of the auroral oval, but it means that the mechanisms responsible for the generation of the light of the auroral oval are also found in the whole daytime ionosphere i.e. they are not restricted to the ionosphere of the high latitudes i.e. they are also found and operative on a permanent basis in the ionosphere of both middle and low latitudes.

"The auroral oval is complete
and the intensity is similar on both sides - since it is excited by
charged particles flowing down field lines, that is not surprising.
see e.g. http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/index.html for images computed
from POES data. Or see
http://www.spaceweathercenter.org/our_protective_shield/images/content/03_04_14.jpg
for a real image."

Comment:

Really, this is the point.
You yourself attribute the presence of the daytime sector of the auroral oval to the precipitation of the charged particles on the daytime ionosphere of the polar auroral zone. Hence, don’t you judge that there will be auroras wherever there is a precipitation of the charged particles on the ionosphere?
No doubt, the precipitation of the highly energized charged particles is permanent on the whole daytime ionosphere. Moreover, the whole daytime ionosphere receives original solar X-rays and UV light all of which are very active ionizing agents. Needless to say that the nocturnal polar ionosphere where people used to think the auroras are only there is deprived of the photoelectrons and the rest of the ions produced by the photoionization. In other words, in the nocturnal sector of the auroral oval there is almost only impact ionization, but in the diurnal sector of the oval and in the rest of whole daytime ionosphere we find not only the impact ionization but also the photoionization. According to AST, This photoionization caused by the original solar X-rays and UV light is the reason why the auroras in the whole daytime ionosphere are relatively extremely bright and permanent.

"The aurora is clearly not responsible for any but a tiny tiny part of the
light in the day sky."


Comment:

Excuse me to say that this is not right. The aurora-generating agents and conditions are perpetually found throughout the whole daytime ionosphere. Compared to their counterparts responsible for the generation of very bright auroras in the traditional auroral zone, the aurora-generating agents and conditions that are perpetually found throughout the whole daytime ionosphere are extremely stronger or greater. Accordingly, there should be relatively extremely active auroras in the whole daytime ionosphere. As well as, there should be a relatively extremely bright auroral corona during the daytime.

"We have measured the brightness of the solar image
on the ground, and in space a million miles from the Earth with the same instrument.
In space it is about twice as bright - just about what is estimated from reductions in the atmosphere."


Comment:

AST does not deny that the Sun is glowing and that its light is permanently reaching the Earth. As previously said, its original solar X-rays and UV light are one of the two crucial factors behind the relatively extremely global daytime auroras. The other crucial factor is the electric currents. In fact, the electric currents in the daytime hemisphere are greatly more intense than their counterparts in the nocturnal sector of the ionosphere of the traditional auroral zone. Of course, the electric currents are greatly important for the generation of auroras.

[Rumples Riot]

Hmmm I wonder why more solar scientists don't agree with you. Hmmm maybe because this is also nonsense.

So far we apparently live in a solar system in which the Sun never rotates and all the planets swing backwards and forwards in front of the Sun and now this clap trap.

Anyone take note that this guy joined up on April Fools day.

Sorry the laws of physic have been well established and without them we would simply not have explored the solar system nor gone to the moon. In the face of that evidence these ideas are rubbish, much less are they supported by any form of mathematics.

[gyro]

Hmmm I wonder why more solar scientists don't agree with you. Hmmm maybe because this is also nonsense.

So far we apparently live in a solar system in which the Sun never rotates and all the planets swing backwards and forwards in front of the Sun and now this clap trap.

Anyone take note that this guy joined up on April Fools day.

Sorry the laws of physic have been well established and without them we would simply not have explored the solar system nor gone to the moon. In the face of that evidence these ideas are rubbish, much less are they supported by any form of mathematics.

Whilst all his theories are "out of left field", your corrections and explanations are of value. They help common sense prevail in this thread for 'newbies' to the subjects.

[Tony Leece]

Whilst all his theories are "out of left field"

Out of left field, Try, right out the park and into the next state....:biggrin:




Hmmm I wonder why more solar scientists don't agree with you. Hmmm maybe because this is also nonsense.

So far we apparently live in a solar system in which the Sun never rotates and all the planets swing backwards and forwards in front of the Sun and now this clap trap.

Anyone take note that this guy joined up on April Fools day.

Sorry the laws of physic have been well established and without them we would simply not have explored the solar system nor gone to the moon. In the face of that evidence these ideas are rubbish, much less are they supported by any form of mathematics.

I totaly agree with you Paul mate........


P.S i am not an expert by any description, but i have a feeling this has got to be a wind-up......nice try mate :thumbsupmate:

[hpcoolahan]

posted in a different thread also............Quote

Well i thought id leave this one here for you all to figure out for yourselves,,,and i agree with all of you.
This guy has posted the same stories and theories on a number of other forums , and promptly been banned on a few too.

lets see if he replys to our critisim!!

Cheers
Patrick

PS . same reasons and coments
Cheers
Patrick

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Decisive Evidence:

Introduction

1) N2 Lyman-Birge-Hopfield (LBH) bands are N2 UV emissions.

2) Because of its too high temperature, the Sun's composition is void of neutral molecules and molecular ions such as N2 and N2+, respectively. Hence, it is certain that N2 molecules are not present in the Sun's composition.

Accordingly, from outside the geomagnetosphere such as from SOHO or at Moon, there would be no N2 LBH bands in the direct solar light when it is received coming "directly" from the Sun. In other words,from outside the geomagnetosphere such as from SOHO or at Moon, it is supposed that upon being directed at the Sun itself, neither radiometers nor spectrometers would record any N2 LBH bands coming from it.
Is it really right that there would be no N2 LBH bands in the direct solar light wherever and whenever it is received?
Well, there are two cases:

A) Both radiometry and spectrometry measurements from outside the geomagnetosphere, such as from SOHO and YOHKOH, confirmed the absence of N2 LBH bands from the direct solar light.
B) Both radiometry and spectrometry measurements from inside the geomagnetosphere, such as from the space shuttles, High Altitude Observatory, Skylab, and other satellites confirmed the presence of N2 LBH bands from the direct solar light.
So, what did the scientists do to explain such unexpected finding of N2 LBH bands in the solar light when observed from the dark geospace by earth-orbiting vehicles ?
They considered their presence as a contamination caused by N2 emissions from the so-called ram cloud.

Anyway, I consider that this interpretation is not right. Simply, in the dark geospace-based measurements, the N2 LBH bands could be received coming directly from the Sun and not from other directions. For example, on being directed at any star during the daytime, Solstice aboard Sorce could not show the presence of any significant N2 LBH bands. Moreover, lots of the measurements were carried out at high altitudes where practically no N2 molecules are present. Now, however, there are reliable, continuous dark geospace-based measurements of the N2 LBH bands in the direct solar light. These measurements are conducted by the SOLSTICE aboard SORCE.

SOLSTICE aboard SORCE Proves


The primary objective of the SORCE Total Irradiance Monitor (TIM) instrument is to make precise and accurate measurements of Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) through monitoring changes in incident sunlight to the Earth's atmosphere. The Total Irradiance Monitor (TIM) measures the total solar irradiance (TSI), a measure of the absolute intensity of solar radiation, integrated over the entire solar irradiance spectrum. To construct this product, high time cadence measurements (approximately every 50 seconds during sunlit portions of the SORCE spacecraft orbit) from the TIM instrument are combined to produce representative daily and 6-hourly values of the Total Solar Irradiance.
The SORCE spacecraft operates in a 645 km, 40° orbit providing about 15 orbits per day.
SOLSTICE consists of a two-channel grating spectrometer capable of being pointed at the Sun or at selected stars.

http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/tsi_data.html

http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/solstice_con_op.html

http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/solstice.html



Wavelengths of N2 LBH Bands

N2 LBH bands cover a wide range of UV wavelengths from 140 to 180 nm. Scientists divide them into two regions: one at shorter wavelength emissions denoted LBHs and extending roughly from 140 to 160 nm and longer wavelength emissions denoted LBHl and extending from 160 to 180 nm.

http://cspar.uah.edu/~germanyg/gg/onlinepapers/HSV96/hsv96.html



Continue

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Real Presence of N2 LBH bands in the Direct Solar Irradiance

Below you can review four selected readings from the site whose URL is: http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/sorce_data_access/. All of these four readings prove the presence of N2 LBH emissions in the direct solar irradiance from SOLSTICE. On reaching this site you can get hundreds of readings. Just click Solar Spectra in the SORCE data access menu and fill in the boxes that will appear with the suitable specifications you select: Date, Minimum Wavelength and Maximum Wavelength but not from outside the valid range: 115-1600nm. Then, all you have to do is to click the "output text" box or "output text & plot data" box.

(1)SORCE Spectral data for 4-Jun-2005 00:00:00.00


Wavelength Range: 140.5 to 159.5
Time Span: 24 hours
Quality: Indicates the average time difference between the nominal timetag (noon UTC) and the data used to generate the reported irradiance. A value greater than 0.5 for a particular row indicates that the reported irradiance is based on fill data. For a detailed description of the quality of this data please visit the Solar Spectral Irradiance (SSI) page.



NOTE: If version is -1 in the table below, then no data was found for that
instrument for your input specifications.

Wavelength Range Instrument Data Version
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115.0 - 180.0 SOLSTICE B 5
180.0 - 310.0 SOLSTICE A 5
310.0 - 800.0 SIM A VIS 1 -1
800.0 - 1000.0 SIM A VIS 2 -1
1000.0 - 1600.0 SIM A IR -1

WAVELENGTH IRRADIANCE UNCERTAINTY QUALITY
(nm) (W/m^2/nm) (W/m^2/nm)
---------- ------------- ------------- ------------
140.5 6.7781894e-05 3.1627871e-07 0.2573402350
141.5 4.0853765e-05 2.3677368e-07 0.2573383689
142.5 4.4742536e-05 2.4499359e-07 0.2547992800
143.5 5.1118736e-05 2.4633193e-07 0.2641661999
144.5 4.9949080e-05 2.4939163e-07 0.2680368432
145.5 5.3807314e-05 2.6204049e-07 0.2680077677
146.5 6.6456493e-05 2.9681834e-07 0.2679847107
147.5 8.2485392e-05 3.3989375e-07 0.2679525832
148.5 8.3943200e-05 3.5835349e-07 0.2668754758
149.5 7.5724760e-05 3.4012717e-07 0.2668539674
150.5 8.4846099e-05 3.6029888e-07 0.2641924159
151.5 9.1917612e-05 3.7322632e-07 0.2599131275
152.5 1.1469602e-04 4.3276391e-07 0.2598823603
153.5 1.2619328e-04 4.7159761e-07 0.2598587369
154.5 2.1320383e-04 7.0825841e-07 0.2611053857
155.5 1.8559382e-04 6.0519022e-07 0.2639066184
156.5 1.8389445e-04 6.0178271e-07 0.2650591406
157.5 1.6120270e-04 5.5693379e-07 0.2650514472
158.5 1.6041399e-04 5.6871327e-07 0.2650373699
159.5 1.6037117e-04 5.8036824e-07 0.2650254018

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(2) SORCE Spectral data for 4-Nov-2005 00:00:00.00


Wavelength Range: 140.5 to 159.5
Time Span: 24 hours




WAVELENGTH IRRADIANCE UNCERTAINTY QUALITY
(nm) (W/m^2/nm) (W/m^2/nm)
---------- ------------- ------------- ------------
140.5 6.2854050e-05 2.6423831e-07 0.2701496413
141.5 3.9393833e-05 2.0100843e-07 0.2701883619
142.5 4.2879292e-05 2.1371966e-07 0.2702221444
143.5 4.9073269e-05 2.3245892e-07 0.2702570656
144.5 4.8443441e-05 2.2527800e-07 0.2616538755
145.5 5.1924973e-05 2.3576088e-07 0.2610994652
146.5 6.4358634e-05 2.6831392e-07 0.2611144167
147.5 8.0433242e-05 3.0814872e-07 0.2611312394
148.5 8.1421443e-05 3.1102903e-07 0.2611475237
149.5 7.3453911e-05 2.9344693e-07 0.2611639270
150.5 8.1871918e-05 3.1587668e-07 0.2611816665
151.5 8.8701522e-05 3.3576057e-07 0.2611961684
152.5 1.1059993e-04 3.8891307e-07 0.2612141263
153.5 1.2053734e-04 4.2290517e-07 0.2612309373
154.5 1.9871032e-04 6.5186518e-07 0.2612491600
155.5 1.7566566e-04 5.6427192e-07 0.2612628483
156.5 1.7629113e-04 5.6707096e-07 0.2630510359
157.5 1.5561694e-04 5.4227609e-07 0.2739465069
158.5 1.5514044e-04 5.5226428e-07 0.2739459473
159.5 1.5615525e-04 5.6450134e-07 0.2739465236

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(3) SORCE Spectral data for 1-Aug-2005 00:00:00.00


Wavelength Range: 160.5 to 179.5
Time Span: 24 hours




WAVELENGTH IRRADIANCE UNCERTAINTY QUALITY
(nm) (W/m^2/nm) (W/m^2/nm)
---------- ------------- ------------- ------------
160.5 1.8077578e-04 5.4981312e-07 0.3182358740
161.5 2.1387240e-04 6.1195489e-07 0.3182534412
162.5 2.4629129e-04 6.9572513e-07 0.3228772106
163.5 2.6475182e-04 7.3983990e-07 0.3228674707
164.5 3.0994103e-04 8.2877113e-07 0.3228347832
165.5 4.9083491e-04 1.1808820e-06 0.3208176617
166.5 3.2912983e-04 8.7020687e-07 0.3204957525
167.5 3.8944991e-04 1.0017761e-06 0.3216619870
168.5 4.1827493e-04 1.0790822e-06 0.3226709735
169.5 5.4776007e-04 1.2910332e-06 0.3226330071
170.5 6.3015691e-04 1.4248465e-06 0.3222393614
171.5 6.3433616e-04 1.4618378e-06 0.3163178359
172.5 6.9770216e-04 1.5812794e-06 0.3162525099
173.5 7.0211757e-04 1.6800978e-06 0.3174463545
174.5 8.5946582e-04 1.9697628e-06 0.3174227652
175.5 1.0595228e-03 2.3631630e-06 0.3172392034
176.5 1.1504002e-03 2.7037138e-06 0.3166220411
177.5 1.4026539e-03 3.3378801e-06 0.3080265211
178.5 1.5670781e-03 3.8128521e-06 0.3075684703
179.5 1.5547155e-03 3.8738741e-06 0.3036018902

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(4) SORCE Spectral data for 5-Nov-2005 00:00:00.00


Wavelength Range: 160.5 to 179.5
Time Span: 24 hours



WAVELENGTH IRRADIANCE UNCERTAINTY QUALITY
(nm) (W/m^2/nm) (W/m^2/nm)
---------- ------------- ------------- ------------
160.5 1.7462530e-04 6.9631977e-07 0.2828774997
161.5 2.0735644e-04 7.7714316e-07 0.2828260553
162.5 2.4008012e-04 8.6179424e-07 0.2827707751
163.5 2.5605551e-04 9.1140983e-07 0.2827156242
164.5 2.9602552e-04 1.0129769e-06 0.2826618885
165.5 4.7448978e-04 1.4416812e-06 0.2830823709
166.5 3.2178487e-04 1.0616125e-06 0.2831385884
167.5 3.7556131e-04 1.2173099e-06 0.2827994426
168.5 4.0851818e-04 1.3380326e-06 0.2824423872
169.5 5.3415018e-04 1.6033501e-06 0.2823875603
170.5 6.1486066e-04 1.7738530e-06 0.2823341684
171.5 6.1962684e-04 1.8131813e-06 0.2822792736
172.5 6.8255623e-04 1.9820511e-06 0.2730527277
173.5 6.8704118e-04 2.0236524e-06 0.2718726639
174.5 8.4397274e-04 2.2932830e-06 0.2724764964
175.5 1.0372902e-03 2.4497570e-06 0.2773401900
176.5 1.1294466e-03 2.3783744e-06 0.2615510933
177.5 1.3790109e-03 2.7904193e-06 0.2630130044
178.5 1.5353509e-03 3.1206821e-06 0.2643712538
179.5 1.5254334e-03 3.2594244e-06 0.2642519884


http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/sorce_data_access/


Continue

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

So far, I expect that the simultaneous observations of N2 LBH bands from both UV imager aboard Polar and SOLSTICE aboard SORCE, could prove that the Sun at the Earth involves an auroral corona.



Facts about N2 Lyman-Birge-Hopfield (LBH) bands:

1) The N2 LBH ultraviolet emissions have their origin in the geospace, i.e., the N2 LBH emissions don't originate in the Sun, but instead they are produced inside the geomagnetosphere-ionosphere system.

http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/GG/GG33-CAMEO/Cameo-Science.txt

7) Geophysicists consider that the N2 LBH emissions are due solely to electron impact, i.e., the only significant excitation mechanism for the LBH emissions is electron impact excitation. In other words, the whole global N2 LBH emissions are ultraviolet light produced by the mechanism that produces them in the polar aurora.

http://cspar.uah.edu/~germanyg/gg/onlinepapers/HSV96/hsv96.html

8) The N2 LBH emissions show a global-scale presence.

http://www.spaceweathercenter.org/SWOP/Gallery/Auroral_pics/POLAR_VIS.html

4) At the time of the solar flares, the ionosphere shows a global-scale increase in the N2 LBH emissions.

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003/2001JA009060.shtml

9) The photos taken in N2 LBH bands by the Dynamics Explorer series and Ultraviolet Imager on board Polar spacecraft could show that intensity variation of LBH bands themselves in both the daylight dome and auroral ovals either increased simultaneously or decreased simultaneously.

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/


http://www.spaceweathercenter.org/SWOP/Gallery/Auroral_pics/1.html \

10) About two to three days after the observation of a coronal mass ejection (CME) leaving the Sun earthward, N2 LBH bands become enhanced simultaneously in both the daylight dome and auroral ovals.


http://cspar.uah.edu/~germanyg/gg/onlinepapers/HSV96/hsv96.html

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/theta.gif


Summary

According to all the definitions of the auroras and the different theories relating to their interpretation, it turns out that all of the N2 emissions in the daylight are produced by the same mechanisms that produce the polar auroras. Therefore, we can describe N2 emissions in the daylight as auroral. However, the observations from Polar spacecraft and Dynamics Explorer 1 could show that the daytime ionosphere is permanently greatly richer in the N2 LBH bands than the ionosphere of the nocturnal polar ionosphere during very bright auroras.
Accordingly, these results mean that the hypothesis that "The bulk of the diffuse daylight is generated in the ionosphere by the same mechanisms that generate the polar auroras", is right. As well, these results themselves can lead us to a few inevitable conclusions:

A- Since the N2 emissions in the daylight prove that there are permanent, global very bright auroral activities in the daytime ionosphere, then the other auroral light wavelengths which normally accompany the N2 emissions in the polar auroras, especially the red O1 630.0 nm spectrum and yellowish-green O1 557.7 nm spectrum, are necessarily present in the daylight.

B- Since on comparing the intensity of N2 emissions in the daylight to the intensity of the very active polar auroras, the daytime auroras turn out to be so much brighter such that they deserve not only to be of the IBC IV auroras, but of the so-called exceptionally very bright auroras.

C- Since any IBC IV aurora, and any exceptionally bright aurora can show the auroral radiant point and its companion corona, it turns out necessarily that the daytime auroras are capable of forming an auroral corona.

C- Since, first, the direct solar light is intimately associated with the geomagnetic activities and the particle precipitations on the ionosphere and, second, the SORCE aboard SOLSTICE could confirm that the N2 LBH bands are a permanent part of the solar irradiance coming directly, it turns out that the Sun itself as seen at the Earth involves an auroral corona.

In aggregate,
1- Polar spacecraft and DY1 could show that the intensity of N2 LBH bands in the whole daytime ionosphere is permanently much greater than their intensity in the nocturnal polar ionosphere during very bright auroras. These findings necessarily indicate that there are extremely bright auroras occurring continuously in the sunward hemisphere.
2- The measurements of N2 LBH bands conducted by the SOLSTICE aboard SORCE represent decisive evidence that the direct solar beam radiation involves auroral light. Certainly, such findings form conclusive evidence that Sun as seen at Earth involves an auroral corona.

[gyro]

lets see if he replys to our critisim!!

Hey Pat,
Judging by the above 'missives', that would be a YES. :Oh_No:

[gyro]

Out of left field, Try, right out the park and into the next state

Hi Tony,
I was tempted to say "out of this World" but thought he may take this as an invitation to expound on the 'Observable Universe etc'....:wink: :wink:

[Dragon Man]

Well, I did need a good laugh!

Everyone knows the Sun is REALLY a cardboard cut-out, and isn't it amazing how it's hard to see the strings that the Planets hang on.

I've checked Google Earth and I can't even see 'where' the strings tie on!!!!! :eek:

[gyro]

I've checked Google Earth and I can't even see 'where' the strings tie on!!!!! :eek:

Thats cos' you need this 'plug in', but please don't encourage the originator or Radar will pull the thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_Theory

[Tony Leece]

Well, I did need a good laugh!

Everyone knows the Sun is REALLY a cardboard cut-out, and isn't it amazing how it's hard to see the strings that the Planets hang on.

I've checked Google Earth and I can't even see 'where' the strings tie on!!!!! :eek:

Is this the 'String theory' that the cosmologists are always on about:biggrin:

[Tenacious Del]

Anyone take note that this guy joined up on April Fools day.


interesting, but fitting. :hmm:

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Hey Pat,
Judging by the above 'missives', that would be a YES. :Oh_No:

Hello Dear Gyro,
I appreciate your high level of comprehension.
The problem here and at other forums is that those who do not comprehend but meanwhile want to comment. The only way they are qualified to do is to post silly comments. Such comments are all their merchandise. You know that the disappointed, thoughtless students always say that their teachers bring only wrong questions!

[hpcoolahan]

""The problem here and at other forums is that those who do not comprehend but meanwhile want to comment. The only way they are qualified to do is to post silly comments.""


Hmm, carefull the moderators dont hear you insulting other forum members intelligence.............Woops i just herd!!

Attiyah, its bad enough that you want to re-write physics to your own views,
But if you expect US to listen to your beliefs, you have to accept our comments for what the are as well.

Ive noticed all of your posts are usually Cut and Paste or Follow this Link.
(seen the exact same posts on other forums, some up to 2 years ago)

Surely you must have thought , "maby i could be a little wrong ", if no one else agrees with ANY of your theories, and not just on this forum.

Freedom of speach and expression of ideas is what this forum is all about, but dont belittle others for not agreeing with you.They are entitled to comment as well.

IF your theories prove correct , i will eat humble pie.


Clear skies

Patrick
Moderation Team

[Dragon Man]

I also note that on all the Forums you post your 'beliefs' that you never identify your true self or your location.

If you had such a fantastic world-breaking theory, who are you? and where are you? Scientists tell who they are, where they are, and who they are affiliated or work with (University, Science research centre etc).

Afraid to be known?

[gyro]

[SIZE="4"]Hello Dear Gyro,
I appreciate your high level of comprehension

This is living proof that parallel Universes do exist. Anyone following my posts will know that "comprehension" doesn't figure. Also, according to my page heading, I last visited the forum on April 13th :confused: :confused: . I rest my case. :itsme!: :itsme!:

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

""The problem here and at other forums is that those who do not comprehend but meanwhile want to comment. The only way they are qualified to do is to post silly comments.""


Hmm, carefull the moderators dont hear you insulting other forum members intelligence.............Woops i just herd!!

Attiyah, its bad enough that you want to re-write physics to your own views,
But if you expect US to listen to your beliefs, you have to accept our comments for what the are as well.

Ive noticed all of your posts are usually Cut and Paste or Follow this Link.
(seen the exact same posts on other forums, some up to 2 years ago)

Surely you must have thought , "maby i could be a little wrong ", if no one else agrees with ANY of your theories, and not just on this forum.

Freedom of speach and expression of ideas is what this forum is all about, but dont belittle others for not agreeing with you.They are entitled to comment as well.

IF your theories prove correct , i will eat humble pie.


Clear skies

Patrick
Moderation Team


Post # 6

Some people say that my theory seems nonsense. However, I shall agree with them conditioned that the sunward sky, the daytime sky, is void of the same requisitions of the occurrence of the auroral activities in the nighttime sky of the traditional auroral zone.


Have you asked yourself about the requisitions of the occurrence of the auroral activities in the nighttime sky of the traditional auroral zone?

You know that they are these:

1- The ionosphere.
Regarding the ionosphere, the whole daytime sky has all the ionospheric layers, too.

2- The precipitation of the charged particles on the ionosphere.

Regarding such a precipitation, it is well established that the precipitation of the charged particles is global and continuous. In other words, the whole daytime ionosphere is also continuously bombarded by highly energized charged particles.
We must remember here that the solar X-rays and UV light are very strong ionizing factors.This photoionization supplies the daytime ionosphere throughout the daytime with great quantities of photoelectrons and other different species of ions.

3- The electric currents.

Regarding the electric currents, especially the field-aligned currents, they also run in the whole daytime ionosphere.

4- Rarefied neutral gases whether in the atomic form or in the molecular form.
Regarding these gases, also the whole daytime ionosphere has its own content of them.

5- The conductivity of the ionosphere.

Regarding the conductivity, almost every where in the daytime ionosphere the electric conductivity is generally greater than that of the nighttime polar ionosphere during the occurrence of very bright auroras. It is more than ten siemens.

So far, not only all the agents and conditions needed to run the auroral activities are found completely in the whole sunward sky, but compared to their counterparts in the sky of the night time sky of the traditional auroral zone itself, they are much stronger or greater.

However, this comparison alone could show that there should be global daytime auroras such that their brightness is thousands of times greater than even the so-described "exceptionally bright auroras" of the traditional auroral zone.

Accordingly, every one must ask: where are the auroras related to the aurora-producing agents and conditions found in the whole daytime sky?

As well, every one must ask: where is the auroral corona of such auroras?
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Can you prove that the sunward ionosphere is void of the requisitions of the occurrence of extremely bright auroras?

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Three Proposals to Verify Attiyah's Sun Theory

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Use of Auroral Substorms
How can solar observatories use the auroral substorms to verify AST?

(1) According to AST, the Sun as seen from the Earth's surface could be considered as a monitor screen for the auroral activities in the daytime terrestrial hemisphere.

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(2) According to Akasofu it could be said that the auroral substorm has a 4-hour-4-phase cycle. For the purpose of simplification, we can also say that this cycle means that on average the auroral 4-hour-4-phase cycle repeats itself six times a day.

So far, how to use the Sun to verify AST?

AST considers that the Sun involves an auroral corona. If this consideration is factual, then the Sun as seen from the Earth's surface should reflect the auroral 4-hour-4-phase cycle six times daily especially when observed at the traditional auroral zone underneath the auroral oval. Any solar observatory based in the traditional auroral zone can carry out such observations especially at the period of the midnight Sun.
However, AST predicts that at the same time of the "breakup phase" of the auroral substorm, the solar irradiance or solar brightness must show an obvious enhancement.


Will the responsible scientists help achieve this verification?



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Use of SOHO, Polar spacecraft and Earth-based solar observatories
The simultaneous observations from Earth-based solar observatories, SOHO and Polar spacecraft could be used to verify AST especially during a magnetic storm or at the "breakup phase" of an auroral substorm.


According to AST, the Sun as seen from the Earth's surface could be considered as a monitor screen for the auroral activities in the daytime terrestrial hemisphere.


AST considers that the Sun involves an auroral corona. If this consideration is factual, then, during any magnetic storm or even during the "breakup phase" of any auroral substorm, the Sun as seen from the Earth's surface should show an enhancement in its brightness or irradiance conditioned that:

1) This enhancement is simultaneous with the occurrence of the magnetic storm.

2) This enhancement is simultaneous with a global increase of the auroral emissions that could be observed by the Polar spacecraft.

3) At the same time of this enhancement SOHO does not observe any significant increase in the solar irradiance or brightness.



Will the responsible scientists help achieve this verification?


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Use of Simultaneous observations from "SOLSTICE aboard SORCE", SOHO and Polar spacecraft

According to AST, the Sun as seen from the Earth's surface could be considered as a monitor screen for the auroral activities in the daytime terrestrial hemisphere.



AST considers that the Sun involves an auroral corona. If this consideration is factual, then, during any magnetic storm or even during the "breakup phase" of any auroral substorm, the Sun as seen from the Earth's surface should show an enhancement in its brightness or irradiance conditioned that:

(1) This enhancement is simultaneous with the occurrence of the magnetic storm.

(2) This enhancement is simultaneous with a global increase of the auroral emissions that could be observed by the Polar spacecraft.

(3) This enhancement is simultaneous with an increase of wavelengths of N2 LBH Bands depending on the contemporary observations of "SOLSTICE aboard SORCE".

(4) At the same time of this enhancement SOHO does not observe any significant increase in the solar irradiance or brightness.


Will the responsible scientists help achieve this verification?

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SOLSTICE aboard SORCE

The primary objective of the SORCE Total Irradiance Monitor (TIM) instrument is to make precise and accurate measurements of Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) through monitoring changes in incident sunlight to the Earth's atmosphere. The Total Irradiance Monitor (TIM) measures the total solar irradiance (TSI), a measure of the absolute intensity of solar radiation, integrated over the entire solar irradiance spectrum. To construct this product, high time cadence measurements (approximately every 50 seconds during sunlit portions of the SORCE spacecraft orbit) from the TIM instrument are combined to produce representative daily and 6-hourly values of the Total Solar Irradiance.

The SORCE spacecraft operates in a 645 km, 40° orbit providing about 15 orbits per day.

SOLSTICE consists of a two-channel grating spectrometer capable of being pointed at the Sun or at selected stars.


http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/tsi_data.html


http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/solstice_con_op.html


http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/solstice.html


N2 LBH bands cover a wide range of UV wavelengths from 140 to 180 nm. Scientists divide them into two regions: one at shorter wavelength emissions denoted LBHs and extending roughly from 140 to 160 nm and longer wavelength emissions denoted LBHl and extending from 160 to 180 nm.

http://cspar.uah.edu/~germanyg/gg/onlinepapers/HSV96/hsv96.html

[Dragon Man]

You still waffle on and on and give more quotes and more links, but still do not tell us who you are.

It is like listening to a cardboard cut-out.

I cannot take someone seriously who remains hidden behind anonymity. If you were proud of your theories you would stand up and say who you are, where you are, and what qualifies you to make such statements.

What if someone wanted to book you as a guest speaker? It's a bit hard to book anonymous pixels on a monitor.

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Please, review and analyze the images in



1981 - 1991 Data at:


http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/www/desai/

[hpcoolahan]

You realize you are responding to a comment made 8 months ago!!!!

Patrick

[Dragon Man]

You realize you are responding to a comment made 8 months ago!!!!

Patrick

Shhhhh . . . you'll get him going again :lmao:

[PeterP]

You realize you are responding to a comment made 8 months ago!!!!

Patrick

Maybe he was triple checking his theory? :biggrin:


Shhhhh . . . you'll get him going again :lmao:

lol, Pete whipsers "okay then, i agree". Tip toes out of thread. :smile:

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Attiyah's Sun Theory

Attiyah's Sun theory has many hypotheses:

1- The bulk of the diffuse daylight is generated in the ionosphere by the same mechanisms that generate the polar auroras.
2- The solar X-rays and ultraviolet light are the primary origin for the energy needed to drive the global, continuous occurrence of the daytime auroral activities.
3- The global daytime auroras are capable of forming the so-called auroral corona which is the primary source of the daytime beam radiation.
4- The Sun always forms a far glowing background for the daytime auroral corona.
5- The formation of the auroral corona and concentration of its light, are both intimately related to the magnetic zenith effect.
6- The earthward spread of the light from the magnetic zenith is intimately governed by the phenomenon of aspect sensitivity.


Auroral Corona:

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap041109.html

http://www.keteu.org/~haunma/aurora/gallery/Mar01/corona1.jpg

http://www.keteu.org/~haunma/aurora/gallery/Mar01/corona2.jpg

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap020115.html

http://media.skyandtelescope.com/images/Corona_l.jpg

http://www.spacew.com/gallery/image004202-thumb.jpg
http://www.skychasers.net/suz-024.jpg

http://www.skychasers.net/aurora_face.jpg

Direct, Decisive Evidence

No doubt, hundreds of thousands of real images taken by the "Visible Imaging System/Polar – The University of Iowa/NASA-GSFC" are alone fully capable of proving Attiyah's Sun theory. These images show that the aurorae are global and occurring continuously in the whole ionosphere.

1- All the photos of the "Visible Imaging System/Polar" taken in auroral UV light such as the O1 wavelength 130.4 nm could clearly show that the aurora is a permanent, global phenomenon.

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/theta.gif
http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai-data/images/1981/287/C_117A/024207_C.GIF
30021755_MAP.GIF
30061932_MAP.GIF
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kp/98-07/uvikp_98210_01.gif
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kp/98-07/uvikp_98183_03.gif


2- All the photos of the "Visible Imaging System/Polar" taken in auroral visible wavelengths that characterize the auroral emissions, especially 557.7 nm, 630.0 nm, and 391.4 nm, could also clearly show that the aurora is a permanent, global phenomenon.

http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/vis/images/

Then click PREVIOUS TO TODAY

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreach/images/Aurora/vislr.jpg


More Images

http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/

http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/vis/ima...us_images.html

http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/vis/ima...of_Yesterdays/
http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/

http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/www/desai/
http://uvi.nsstc.nasa.gov/kpgs-Data.htm


http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._16_00_00.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._01_13_41.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._09_02_51.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._17_20_03.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._17_17_22.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._18_19_14.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._07_00_00.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._07_17_15.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._07_13_13.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._07_23_33.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._22_03_29.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._24_14_57.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._16_19_53.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._16_01_18.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._15_16_10.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._06_00_00.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._16_00_00.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._26_11_47.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._26_13_07.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._21_03_02.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._27_22_05.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/survey/..._18_00_00.html
http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai-data/images/1981/287/C_117A/
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kp/97-02/uvikp_97048_01.gif
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kp/98-07/uvikp_98182_01.gif
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kp/98-07/uvikp_98182_02.gif



Necessary Notices

N.B. 1

"The Ultraviolet Imager (UVI) uses a specially designed camera to filter out all of the light except that emitted by the aurorae themselves". (Jim Spann)

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast25jun96.htm

http://uvi.nsstc.nasa.gov/

N.B. 2

The images are false-colored.
The intensity of the auroral emission, or auroral brightness, increases according to this sequence: dark red - red - light red - yellow - whitish yellow.

http://www.spaceweathercenter.org/SWOP/Gallery/Auroral_pics/POLAR_VIS.html


Comments

According to N.B. 1:

(1) The filters of the cameras of UVI screen out all the scattered sunlight. In other words, no one can claim that any image captured in any wavelength characterizing the auroral light could show any glow due to the sunlight.

(2) Regarding the wavelength which the UVI's photos could be captured in, it necessarily turns out certain that what applies to the daytime auroral oval embedded in the day glow, should thoroughly apply to the rest of the day glow in the whole sunward hemisphere. In other terms, all the parts of any UVI's photo were taken in the same light that the filters of UVI itself allowed in. Therefore, the UVI's images could form decisive, direct evidence that aurora-producing mechanisms are always active in the whole ionosphere.

According to N.B. 2

(1) The previously referred-to images could show that the aurorae occurring in the whole daytime ionosphere are greatly brighter not only than the IBC IV aurora, but even than the exceptionally bright aurorae that might sometimes occur in the auroral oval itself, especially during the geomagnetic storms (auroral storms).
(2) Any IBC IV aurora, or even IBC III aurora, could form its own auroral corona. Analogously, the daytime aurora outside the conventional auroral zone, from the sky of the sub-auroral zone to the sky of the equator, should show a very bright auroral corona greatly brighter than the auroral corona of the conventional IBC IV aurora.
(3) According to, first, the fact that the auroral corona of IBC IV aurora is as bright as the full moon and, second, the fact that even the daylight at midday cannot outshine the full moon, it could be concluded that the auroral corona of the daytime aurora of the middle and low latitudes should appear in the sky.
(4) However, since, first, no auroral corona appears in the daytime sky, second, the solar beam radiation shows all the characteristics of the auroral light as well as the full behavior of the auroral corona and, third, we have not any spotlight in the daytime sky outside the solar disk that could show the aurora borealis effect (auroral corona) , or could exhibit any appearance resembling the rising sun effect, therefore, we can conclude that the solar beam radiation necessarily involves an auroral corona. Said another way, if the Sun as observed at the Earth does not involve the auroral corona of the inevitable daytime aurorae, then, this auroral corona should always appear in the daytime sky outside the solar disk itself. Really, there are no reports about seeing any auroral corona outside the solar disk in the daytime sky of any latitude. Even in the very daytime sky of the conventional auroral zone wherein the aurorae are always present in the daytime side of the auroral oval, there are no reports about seeing any auroral corona outside the solar disk not only during the geomagnetically quiet time, but even during auroral storms and geomagnetic superstorms.

In aggregate, if the continuous observations of the presence of the auroral light in the whole sunward ionosphere, as well, if the continuous observations of the emission of the auroral light from the whole daytime ionosphere, do not decisively prove the global occurrence of aurorae, what, then, is there to make scientists understand Attiyah's Sun theory and accept it?

If hundreds of thousands of real images that could clearly disclose the continuous presence of the auroral light in the whole sunward ionosphere are not sufficient to be decisive evidence supporting AST, what, then, is there to make scientists agree that the aurorae are fully global?

If hundreds of thousands of real images that could clearly show the continuous observation of the emission of the auroral light from the whole daytime ionosphere are not capable of proving the continuous, global occurrence of the aurorae, what, then, is there to make scientists accept AST?

[hpcoolahan]

...................................if you look you will see it encompasses the true nightime sky only..........SHHHHH!!!........ sorry:frown:

Who said that....:weird:

Not this again.......:rolleyes:

Hangs head and RUNS out the door.......:crazy:


Patrick

[qtvc]

Thank you for your time and efforts.

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Thank you for your time and efforts.

Great thanks to qtvc.

Please take the follwing notices into consideration whenever you see Polar's images.


"The Ultraviolet Imager (UVI) uses a specially designed camera to filter out all of the light except that emitted by the aurorae themselves". (Jim Spann)

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast25jun96.htm

"The filters used in the UVI block the visible reflection of the sun off the Earth's surface so that only the ultraviolet wavelengths (of the aurora) are imaged." (Jim Spann)


http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/current_image.html

http://uvi.nsstc.nasa.gov/

http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~apod/apod/ap970402.html



The images are false-colored.
The intensity of the auroral emission, or auroral brightness, increases according to this sequence: dark red - red - light red - yellow - whitish yellow.

http://www.spaceweathercenter.org/SWOP/Gallery/Auroral_pics/POLAR_VIS.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/vis/examples/#figure4

"The intensities of this light from atomic oxygen in Earth's atmosphere at altitudes in the range of about 100 to 500 km are color-coded in the image with dark red as the lowest intensities and whitish yellow as the brightest intensities."

http://aurora.physics.uiowa.edu/gallery_1.html
http://www.spaceweathercenter.org/SWOP/Gallery/Auroral_pics/POLAR_VIS.html
==================


http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai-data/images/1981/287/C_117A/024207_C.GIF
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kp/96-05/uvikp_96127_01.gif
http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/theta.gif
30021755_MAP.GIF
30061932_MAP.GIF
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kpgs.html
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kp/98-07/uvikp_98210_01.gif
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kp/98-07/uvikp_98183_03.gif
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/vis/images/
PREVIOUS TO TODAY

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreach/images/Aurora/vislr.jpg

[astrohil]

The problem here and at other forums is that those who do not comprehend but meanwhile want to comment. The only way they are qualified to do is to post silly comments. Such comments are all their merchandise. You know that the disappointed, thoughtless students always say that their teachers bring only wrong questions!

I am so tired of that oft repeated situation where someone suggesting something, no matter how ridiculous, insists they are the reasonable one, and anyone who disagrees, by the insinuation that they are being "disagreable", is the unreasonable party.

Just cos you spoke first does not mean you are right. And if you can't take the heat (from some rather well educated folks, I might add) then get out of the kitchen. A forum is a place for discussion, a give and take of ideas. If you only want to give and refuse to take then you don't belong in a forum, you belong on a soapbox.

And, I think we can all agree, most of us have encountered our share of teachers throughout our education (at primary, secondary and even tertiary level) who not only bring the wrong questions, but the wrong answers, too.

[Mick]

Too right astrohil.

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

Great thanks to qtvc.

Please take the follwing notices into consideration whenever you see Polar's images.


"The Ultraviolet Imager (UVI) uses a specially designed camera to filter out all of the light except that emitted by the aurorae themselves". (Jim Spann)

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast25jun96.htm

"The filters used in the UVI block the visible reflection of the sun off the Earth's surface so that only the ultraviolet wavelengths (of the aurora) are imaged." (Jim Spann)


http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/current_image.html

http://uvi.nsstc.nasa.gov/

http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~apod/apod/ap970402.html



The images are false-colored.
The intensity of the auroral emission, or auroral brightness, increases according to this sequence: dark red - red - light red - yellow - whitish yellow.

http://www.spaceweathercenter.org/SWOP/Gallery/Auroral_pics/POLAR_VIS.html
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/vis/examples/#figure4

"The intensities of this light from atomic oxygen in Earth's atmosphere at altitudes in the range of about 100 to 500 km are color-coded in the image with dark red as the lowest intensities and whitish yellow as the brightest intensities."

http://aurora.physics.uiowa.edu/gallery_1.html
http://www.spaceweathercenter.org/SWOP/Gallery/Auroral_pics/POLAR_VIS.html
==================


http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai-data/images/1981/287/C_117A/024207_C.GIF
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kp/96-05/uvikp_96127_01.gif
http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/sai/gallery/theta.gif
30021755_MAP.GIF
30061932_MAP.GIF
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kpgs.html
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kp/98-07/uvikp_98210_01.gif
http://uvisun.msfc.nasa.gov/UVI/kp/98-07/uvikp_98183_03.gif
http://vis.physics.uiowa.edu/vis/images/
PREVIOUS TO TODAY

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreach/images/Aurora/vislr.jpg










A Simplified Explanation Concerning Polar's Imagesِ

The Polar-carried cameras were designed such that their filters could achieve two goals, could perform two functions, simultaneously:
1- To allow in certain light wavelengths that characterize the aurora.
2- To block all the light of the solar origin.
So, photographing the daytime ionosphere could be carried out in auroral light only. Only the parts of the daytime ionosphere wherein, or wherefrom, the cameras could detect auroral light could be photographed. Any part of the ionosphere that was lit only by a light of a pure solar origin could not at all find any chance to be photographed. In other words, any glow in the taken images was only due to auroral light whatever was its ionospheric site. This means that every where we now see any glow in the intended Polar's images, we can conclude, with every certainty, that there was an aurora occurring at the ionospheric site of this glow.

By the Polar spacecraft-carried cameras, scientists wanted to search for the daytime part of the auroral oval in the sunward ionosphere i.e. they wanted to confirm or to check that the auroral oval always has a part in the daytime side of the ionosphere. For this purpose, they invented special cameras to capture only certain light wavelengths that are aurora-characterizing emissions. As well, these cameras could simultaneously block all the solar light spread in the photographed ionosphere or passing through it. Said another way, the cameras onboard Polar could allow in only the light from an auroral origin meanwhile their filters could block all the light from the solar origin whether scattered or albedo-reflected.
Since the intended Polar's images show or disclose bright glows in the whole daytime ionosphere, this means that the scientists were to conclude that during the daytime the auroral oval in the sunward ionosphere normally extends even to the low latitudes, the equator included. What does it mean to find that the auroral oval normally has a continuous extension encompassing the ionosphere of all the sunward latitudes? Certainly, it means that the aurorae are a global, permanently occurring phenomenon that entails the whole daytime ionosphere.

In short, since the purpose of the Polar's cameras was to detect the auroral oval in the sunward part of the ionosphere by taking the images only in the aurora-characterizing emissions while the solar light is blocked and, since the taken images showed very bright glows only due to these emissions themselves, the scientists were to conclude immediately and straightforwardly that the auroral oval has a permanent daytime extension not only in the sub-auroral region, but always reaching even the Equator. Finding that the auroral oval in the sunward hemisphere has a permanent extension encompassing the whole ionosphere of all latitudes from the sub-auroral ones to the Equator, is a real indication that, certainly and without any trace of ambiguity, there are always comparatively very bright aurorae in the whole daytime ionosphere.

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

The Optical Effect of the Daytime Aurorae



(The Estimation of the Brightness of the Daytime Aurorae in the Sunward Sky)

What does it optically mean that the sunward sky always houses aurorae that are greatly or even extremely brighter than the active aurorae whose brightness classifies them as IBC IV aurorae which sometimes make the nighttime sky of the conventional auroral zone acquire the brightness of the twilight, or make it show the brightness of the full Moon, at least (IBC, international coefficient of brightness)?

In order to estimate or, at least, to visualize the optical effect of the aurorae in the sunward atmosphere, in the daytime sky, we must compare this effect to the effect of their simultaneous counterparts in the sky of the nighttime side of the conventional auroral zone. In other words, we must suppose that those aurorae themselves occur in the nighttime side of the conventional auroral zone i.e. we are to treat them as if they generate their light in the latter zone.
By comparison, no doubt, such aurorae which are greatly or extremely brighter than IBC IV aurorae would render and transform the nighttime sky into a case of appearing as bright as the daytime sky.
Using the indications of the false coloration used in Polar's images (dark red as the lowest intensities and whitish yellow as the brightest intensities), and comparing the glows in the daytime side with the glows of the nighttime part of the auroral oval, especially in images taken during the explosive phase of an auroral substorm, or an auroral storm, or even an auroral super storm, we conclude that the simultaneous daytime aurorae in the whole sunward ionosphere are relatively much brighter. Since at such three times the simultaneous aurorae in the nighttime part of the conventional auroral zone might illuminate the sky to the degree of appearing as bright as the daytime sky, no doubt, their simultaneous sunward counterparts would be capable of giving the bulk of the diffuse daylight.

Inevitable Daytime Auroral Corona


Restricting our discussion to the conventional auroral zone, a conclusion that there is a permanent daytime auroral corona is to be reached without any hesitation. Really, the bright IBC IV aurorae in the nighttime side of the conventional auroral zone, or even IBC III aurorae, show their own auroral corona. Analogously and comparatively, upon occurring in the daytime side of the conventional auroral zone, the bright IBC IV aurorae, or even IBC III aurorae, must show their own auroral corona i.e. at least, the daytime bright aurorae in the daytime part of the conventional auroral zone, necessarily have their own auroral corona.

Where is the inevitable auroral corona of the daytime relatively very bright aurorae present? Otherwise, if this auroral corona is not inevitable, then, why do the nighttime aurorae in the conventional auroral zone show their own auroral corona, and at the same time and for the same conditions, their simultaneous daytime aurorae which might be greatly brighter, do not show their own auroral corona? What are the physical reasons behind this absence? How do scientists physically justify the permanent absence of the auroral corona from the daytime sky of the daytime part of the conventional auroral zone?




Sun at Earth Involves the Daytime Auroral Corona



Knowing that the IBC IV aurorae whose brightness is as intense as that of the full Moon, might illuminate the nighttime sky of the conventional auroral zone to the extent of enabling one to read the normal printed material as they make this sky appear almost as bright as the daytime sky itself and, knowing that the daylight itself cannot outshine the auroral corona of such aurorae for it is as bright as the full Moon, so, we can conclude that any auroral corona that could be formed in the daytime sky of the conventional auroral zone is easily seen by the naked eye. However, upon occurring in the daytime sky, there is no any physical reason to prevent the IBC IV aurorae, or even IBC III aurorae, from forming their own auroral corona. Well, since IBC IV aurorae are always accompanied by the show of an auroral corona and, since even the IBC III aurorae almost always have their auroral corona, therefore, the occurrence of any IBC IV aurora, or even IBC III aurora, in the daytime sky of the conventional auroral zone, must show an auroral corona. So far, first, concluding that such an auroral corona is inevitable, second, remembering that the daylight cannot hide it by outshining and, third, there are no reports about seeing any auroral corona in the daytime sky of the conventional auroral zone itself, hence, we must ask: are we mistaken to conclude that the formation of an auroral corona in the daytime sky of the conventional auroral zone is inevitable during the occurrence of IBC IV aurorae, or even IBC III aurorae? In other terms, are there any physical reasons that prevent IBC IV aurorae, or even IBC III aurorae, from showing an auroral corona when they occur in the daytime sky of the conventional auroral zone? If the case is not so, where then do we find it? Asked another way, since the auroral corona of IBC IV aurora, or even IBC III aurora, which might occur in the daytime sky of the conventional auroral zone is inevitable and, since the daylight everywhere in the daytime sky outside the apparent site of the solar disk cannot at all hide such an auroral corona, then, where must we search for it?
At last, as we do not find the sought auroral corona any where in the daytime sky outside the solar disk, no doubt, there remains only one site which is the sub-solar site i.e. it is the apparent site of the solar disk itself. Thus, we must conclude that the apparent site of the solar disk always involves an auroral corona i.e. both of the auroral corona and the Sun coincides optically; they always lie on the same line of sight. This means that the auroral corona of the sunward sky forms "a transparent light-made mask" for a far glowing disk-shaped background that is the body of the Sun.
Certainly, the solar rays show all the characteristics of the auroral corona. As well as, all the aspects of the behavior of the auroral corona could be observed in the sunbeams.

http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~apod/apod/ap970402.html


http://www.keteu.org/~haunma/aurora/gallery/Mar01/corona1.jpg

[trevorw]

WGAF

and whats the point of this

Close the thread Ray the guys rambling

Cheers

[hpcoolahan]

I tend to agree with you trevorw, Mick, astrohil, Ive had enough too!
He has had plenty of time and POSTS to convince the rest of the world his IS the new spin on physics......lol

Ask and you shall recieve.

Thread closed.

cheers
Patrick